so you've tried udev? heck yeah it's great working on jack now sweet want are you using the alsa-jack plugin? i've had one problem with getting usb storage device (thumb drive) working yeah i'd be using alsa-jack, but i'm going beep media player I've seen some posts about that it's a fork of xmms no big deal thuogh yeah beep it cool where did you see posts about usb storage problem? alsa-jack sounds like it might be the silver bullet finally don't remember forums.gentoo.org I think but I think they were saying they had a problem not really offering a solution bummer although I can find a fix for about any prob on there and debian just got a bunch of mailing lists... no forums wonder if butter or willy are around isn't there a command that will allow emerge.log to continually update while something is building? I really think the community should work on a better way of organizing help tail -f mailing lists work i was going to bring up the virtual meeting in networking class, but forgot usenet is a step up i bet i can get a few noobs here next time forums are too schwing really needed the help in that class wikis are cool but too loosely organized with the RH boxes? yeah, they're going rhel 3 37/56 for kde and they need help? anaconda automates almost everything it's easier than windows for real not for individ packages hahah you mean have to browse the cds, which bites rpm -Uvh totally you kno w you can up2date pgname and it'll just dl it yeah, but they aren't connected to net just each other haha nice teams: one client one server copy all the RPMs to a single dir and NFS it that'd be interesting I've done it at work I hate using the CDs i don't know if everyone is connected though, or just 2x2 it's almost as bad as the Add/Remove Packages windows clone screen yeah services control is a clone too i'm going to try to teach them command line stuff like shell scripting hahah cool Too bad I'm an adult student now maybe even get schwing to give them extra credit if they come to one of our meetings shell scripting is so easy once you get the knack yeah expansion is great btw: good to have ya, foz that's one big adv of scripting over compiled I have to say in some respects i love scripting I mean you don't seriously program that way but it's great for tons of stuff x-chat: cani emerge that to use irc? yeah but i'll have to redo the rsync scripts b/c they got wiped out during an errant rsync yeah were they cron'ed then? not at the time i need to build something real quick on my gentoo box so jody can have this one i was testing them first what should i use to continue this irc? emacs // erc ;^) gaim? log in to your computer from emacs, while you're at it make it the default shell you're such an emacs ho you should just it's a world onto itself, man i'm safe here... cp `which emacs` /sbin/init lol now all i need is a lisp-compiled xserve man I don't have syslog or cron on this machine dpkg -i X-el and I'm loving it messages all over the console? no /dev/null =) dmesg is there somehting that doesn''t require X? shows kernel msgs yeah irssi and it's decent too I use it from time to time Dude I'm getting wild about the new GNOME 2.6? this has happened to me for every release since .9 but the last 2 have been disappointing the last 3 even I suppose I have high hopes for the new nautilus I have my doubts but I respect the risk either way i have not had good luck with a package manager in linux ALOT of people love the MacOS Finder classic feel i really prefer the command line for it those are still pkg mgrs the GUIs are called frontends oh sorry you mean like synaptic, gurpmi, kportage right? that is why i didn't write a review nautilius, konq oh file managers nautilus messed up my desktop that is what i meant I still stand by konqueror - once you get past the cluter used to be, when i load gnome-settings-daemon, background changed. not anymore it's the only one I've found to rival the cmd line you tweak gconf? not yet would that change things, i wonder? maybe background-wise ? nautilus draws the desktop but other things can draw on the root pane even after purging it out... i almost like it this way leave the bg to the window managers yeah i hate having to sleep 5 secs in order for gnome-terminal to get correct settings though that should be different gnome-settings-daemon should background only after getting itself in memory what were you saying about the review(s), foz? that i don't know enough linux jargon to write a good review i would just look like an idiot so i didn't write the review doesn't matter the ppl that write the reviews suck they always review the installers for no reason then they talk about a bunch of stuff about the pkgs themselves if you want, you could just give me some notes on what it was like, and i could do fast distro compare/contrast rather than the distro or something It's really too bad mdk is commerical it's decent and rpm I mean - too bad it's rpm lo. not that it's decent because of that but at least they still give it out free like from bit torrent so i don't feel bad telling them i am a paying member when i know i can get it free but for $120 a year you can get it and more stuff too really companies can't charge must for linux even if they want to because Windows really isn't too expensive RH is WAY more than Windows costs m$ office is up there, $-wise it is but openoffice runs on windows true; if they bundle starOffice, that adds to value not to me I'd remove it and install openoffice y? what's the difference except that one's not open? I have no allegence to Sun access clone, more templates I may have a cert by them but I don't trust them templates are goofy and access geez they do fund sco, certainly plus OO can do the data stuff without the dedicated client and it's coming I hear anyways ok irssi is emerged hey before you go i want to start via putty and then send it over know that you have to connect to how do i do that? irc.freenode.net irrsi irc.freenode.net I think irc.us.freenode.net is better picks us server how the heck do you make it work? once you are in type join #bclug with a slash in front of it who pardon bitblt: are you feeling any better ? yeah quite a bit was a bad day Monday *** root_ has joined channel #bclug i'm going retro with emacs coloring redhat-style wheat on darkslategray ok, how do i change my nickname? nick foo, with slash in front where foo is your nickname *** foznot has left channel #bclug *** root_ is now known as foznot yes i am thanks i think i am going to give emacs a run after i get kde built yay used it before? *** rob_ has joined channel #bclug no i have never used it before *** foznot has quit: Client Quit first thing, do Help -> Emacs Tutorial ok or -h, then t, are the commands as dumb as vi? much better you can type normally w/o hitting 'i' first :x! i mean come on!!!!!!!!!! alt-f save doen funny -x, -c to exit emacs i miss dos 6.2 or use menu you'll think vi makes more sense after using emacs vi has a windows keybinding setup anyhow mv $(whereis vi) /dev/null no one uses it though ln -s /usr/bin/emacs /usr/bin/vi i wish irssi had word finishing like naim I'm RMS -- head -n 10000 /dev/urandom | sort > emacs; chmod +x emacs i need to prepare a sermon for sunday... i think i will preach on the evil of rpms or evil of sco/m$... C-u 1000 M-x zippy, C-w vi readt this ... give me the floor to quote a book I found Lindows 4.5 Laptop Edition to be a mixed bag for experienced users. It installs easily, barring download issues and getting into the BIOS to change the boot sequence. But beyond the basic install, it took a lot of work to get everything else installed and configured the way I wanted it. Although Lindows is a good choice for many users inexperienced with Linux, I would not recommend it for power users or sysadmins. This is Lindows cannot be configured to meet the needs of advanced user, but because it takes so much less time to accomplish the same thing using a distribution that provides the required tools on the ISO images. this guy is a RH user and it shows to continue God's creativity, you need diversity and distrubuted control TWhis is why all centralisms are collspsing. Centralism opts for monopolistic value and controlover variance and chocie To make the world safe for democracy is to make the world secure for differences sorry for the bad typing sounds good so far i thought of the open source world with this Democracy is about self interest though open source vs. MS I was thinking the other day is it a disservice to vote to help someone else it seems for democracy to work you really SHOULD vote selfishly at all times so the ppl are accurately represented right but it is impossible to find someone who sides on teh same side of all your issues or does that not make sense? frigging a tell me about it are we still considered a republic? republics have a constitution that comes before the individual I can't even find someone to vote for at all yeah I think so i am a democrat but hate the fact that 99% of us are pro-choice funny I'm not anything so how can i vote for us though i side for democrats on the majoirity of issues I don't think I can even claim to be i would be a socialist in a perfect world because then ppl with think I stand for everything either group stands for just like bigmike huh? gnu Manifesto yep oh wait that is marxism programmers don't have to starve... I will if I have to I don't care 3/20 I'd rather starve for someones right to free software ... at least according to GNU manfiesto kde should be done by morning... then gnomemeeting config mike do you have gnome meeting working? umm, haven't installed it yet should i? we are planning on playing with it i think we are going to experiment with it do i need a webcam of some kind? but i don't understand if my dig. cam can dbl as a pccam no you don't have to have one why wouldn't it detect it good question by hotplugging? proprietary drivers for 'doze only... did you compile video4linxu in? it pulls the files off without a problme grrrr for gentoo this time i did a genkernel hehehe grub and lilo REFUSED to work with my kernel i had lots of mistakes but it would restart after i selected my kerenl i thought i got them fixed oh well but in mdk it didn't detect it and they load everything ah yeah they do mike are you upgrading to gnome 2.6 on monday? I just plugged my digicam into my v4l card it's wed not unless its in sarge, which shouldn't happen for a while if the Deb Weekly News is to be believed monday is when the tarballs are due weds??????/ oh well that had 131 deps to build kde only had 56 Xorg has been accepted into most distros in place for xf864.4 now shut up! that is bad news for them yeah but what's Xorg? is that freedesktop.org's xserve? it's more or less a fork for the 4.2.99 erp 4.3.99 yeah not the fdo one with the fx though what license? is it easier to configure than xf? hey Mike yep? I got the fdo one working with the transluc and shadows at work how so? it's pretty cool i have screen shots to prove it but no drivers for it yet so you hca to run with vesa did you do it from source or precompiled bins, through gentoo or not? btw... i think i would have been a computer addict if i had linux in high school i love lynx, irssi multiple windows elinks is really hot too i am going crazy much better at parsing html emails than lynx nah links is better than elinks elinks it gutted really? yeah it's about the same but i thought elinks was a fork w/ more features links can do framebuffer and/or X too it is but it's stripped out a lot too all graphical stuff that is I use regular since my USE flags control the GUI stuff on Gentoo anyways it's cool because it can do GUI surfing w/o X easy and in X it's nice too use it occasionally in GUI mode looks like i don't think links has ssl supprt though Xorg is under same/similar lic as old xf86 while elinks does agreed i don't think i have used elinks links i have in X nope SSL works i'll give links a whirl I wouldn't worry about it you're not missing much works good though I've bought stuff from amazon in it with no problems even why do i think that is scary? or a stretch? how do you use links with X? links -g says 'unknown option -g' xine is building! this is a long one then they compiled it w/o graphical support bummer it's a configure flag well at least it dumps html email a whole lot faster than elinks did that impresses me mike, where do you attend church? when i go, i usually go to Oak Grove Missionary you should check out redeemer sometime but i'm thinking of trying a lutheran church, like my dad Ryan will greet you what denom is redeemer? naim and irssi, this is great i am beginning to think one could survive without a gui but i would need solitaire there are console games I wrote blackjack for the console in the early nineties there's tetris I'm sure there's a solitaire it would prob use SVGAlib wouldn't it? *** rob__ has joined channel #bclug you ever played pysol mike? will ZAxisMapping (4 5) work with ps/2 mouse? yeah or does it need to be imps does it have a wheel? never tried pysol i'd probably be tempted into porting it to C if i did just like that hangman game i found on the net... --- gap in time --- SDL games don't require X so you could still play a lot of games sweet kind of like it was in DOS did you get my last 3 msgs? the good ol' days the connection was bad i didn't just said i'd probably be tempted to port pysol to C if i tried it yeah pysol is a nice app but the fool didn't separate his logic so the TK crap is tightly wound in there I asked him if I could port it to GTK but he never wrote back Tk is annoying ryan, did you ever get permission to maintain that game a while back? no you mean Tyrian? yeah he wasn't about to let go of the code did they email you? or use linux it seemed yeah that bites that would be a sweet bclug project yeah it was written in pascal he said we could have a purpose other than being activist for bzflag so it would've been a straight shot to C with SDL gonna put the boys in the tub... later here's a minipurpose: schwing said he'd like me to try to convince him why students should know Linux good meeting yeah hahaha *** rob__ has quit: "leaving" because otherwise you'll grow up to be schwing for real though scary thought one good reason is because every part of the OS is visible so a student can fully understand a system from top to bottom *** butter has joined channel #bclug any part that's interesting to them hey fellas they can dig into plus it's an open invitation to participate hey butter not really because if you break it it doesn't matter you dust off and try it again another great reason butter: we're talking about why Linux should be taught students at Bethel as per a Schwing request to me ah is because you have a hugely limited point of view if you only know one thing breadth is an important part of depth it's so sad when comp sci majors can't use command line not even point of view...freakin options or volume I should say well true they could if it had a right click menu that said properties hahaha windows should get rid of the enter key and make it properties in fact it's already maybe my linux from scratch project will open his eyes in case y'all didn't know shoot no he won't believe you did anything because it won't be a vbOkButton that's yellow lolol sad but true I'm sick of convincing ppl to use linux I think I'm over that My diploma should say Ryan S Stutsman College rather than bethel since i have pretty much learned everything from you ha sadly I haven't taught you much either Make that Maxx Power College I'm changing my name when I leave Maxx Power?? hahaha nice from the hair dryer and the simpsons episode it's better than Stutsman I think Ryan Mattern is a good name alas it's taken you'll get respect simply from your name we need an excitbike clone what's that? that's why Linux isn't a huge success old n nes game made for snes? if so, i'll get a rom no reg nes I have the rom if you want it anything would be better than Rock 'N Roll Racing sure email it i'll forward schwing's "challenge" to everyone CHALLENGE finally the man pushes me to the edge challenge what the hell does he have to challenge anyone with because he's challenged ah butter on the last day huh get in his face and then as you turn to walk out spit on him hahaha I love the idea hahaha I'm terrible Last night I had a dream that this guy a grade ahead of me in HS was messing with my food in the cafeteria so I walked up to him while he was laughing and just shot him in the head it was a hilarious dream and a little scary no kidding since it seemed real another good one for the logs Mike =) feel free to edit that out ok hahah might have to implement that HTTP AUTH now... that'll come back when I run for office someday I'm sure while we're at it he's an ass Schwing, that is yeah it's sad feels so good to say that it cool though pushing ahead i think that if u can get enough students to complain they will have to hire someone new for the department I'm not sure anyone else would be better but it can't just be me again I mean I'm not sure me either bethel would hire anyone that's decent *** bitblt has quit: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10" *** bitblt has joined channel #bclug who do you complain to? stump/ ? who's dean? did i tell you guys that someone from computer services said we were 'pushy' haha cool i would go directly to stump and wilson who and when? Schwing would have had to have leaked out the prelim version of the report we were going to have him sign for sure pushy man I just want to make things stop working If you get a mtg with the deans and you want me there that would be great I've thought about writting a letter i don't know if i could join; not sure how he compares to the average comp sci prof in most decent colleges hahahahahahhahsdhsdfahjasdfhjkasdhjksdfahjksdf dude if you even looked at the CIRICULUM it's not even close but he doesn't even teach what he has decent that and i don't much trust the higher-ups at bethel don't get me started neither do i problem is they also don't understand the field and don't take it seriously enough to have it researched properly they just ask Schwing to come up with a ciric he goes to IUSB.edu print done student development is a bunch of arrogant pricks' for sure i would say the only pull i have is through stump and laurent no one else likes me I don't that I'm considered an outsider and paranoid by some of the admin i think i'll graduate a year early, get my BS, and get out of Bethel Mike I'll forewarn you you cannot go on to grad school with that degree unfortunately no one told me that except the grad schools =) what the... i would go for a cs somewhere else I'm totally serious huge rejection from purdue and oregon state do i have to get a supplemental year or so somewhere else b4 going grad? and they told me I was better off just getting the BS from them again possibly probably a bit more that's nuts yup but the Bethel classes don't transfer AND the curriculum isn't complete anyways most Purdue students don't take Perspective in Fine Arts in other words they take Operating System Theory and things like that what a f---ing waster *waste is it too late to get into some place like Purdue for FA 2004? no no go for it man you can use your Bethel FAFSA for Purde methinks you deserve something better than bethel I think April 1 is the deadline for priority app handling don't take your future lightly that means stay or don't stay at Bethel but make it deliberate and know what the costs are I sure didn't the only reason im staying is for china and philosophy if i would still be a CIS major only i would be gone did the friggin chapel committee deny your trip, butter? not this semester hahaha no chapel requirements you heading out this fall then butter? yeah Linux the national OS of China Red Flag Linux which Purdue campus are you going for, ryan? WL the full deal i thought all linux was communist i want to write a paper for my philosophy class called "The Philosophy and Society of Linux" you could do Debian and base it around marxism it's a democracy is it a pure demo mike? dunno most of the elections are direct by developers I know you have to be part of the crew to vote though like Project Leader yeah you just have to register as a developer I think ... to vote i think that its more a socialist community i'm applying online to PU right now hahaha cool we'll have classes together it'd be hilarious nice I think you can have your FAFSA info directed to PU from their website too FAFSA's that is we should try and break the China firewall while your there and im in china you can it's called SSH just tunnel everything to a machine back in the US ah but i have to put to something with a good upload speed yeah which major are you doing, ryan? CS full on Computer Sciences? yeah why which ones are you looking at? on the page they have CS, Computer Info Sys, Computer Engineering ... Do CE that would be awesome well CIS is information mgmt CE is systems engineering I think CS is computer science and more software engineering I think I'm looking at it well im going to go i need to work on a machine later guys *** butter has quit: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10" later i'm more into software or systems admin you doing residence halls or off-campus? off campus pretty sure would a federal grant cover off-campus housing? don't know it covers on-campus housing here at bethel http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/wjg/BScurriculum.html here's the CS curric thx I'm thinking of making a dependency diagram of the curric I'll let you have it if I do they advised me that almost none of my comp classes with transfer except for as general credit will general ed transfer? I'll let you see the transfer schedule when I get it yeah but stuff gets recategorized I transferred once before and I never went when I was 1.5 yrs into bethel I trans to purdue and I would have had the rest fo the 4 yrs plus 1 sem to finish if I would have IIRC reading that cirric gives me chills let alone the grad cirric in a good way? yeah I guess I'm going to bed have fun looking at all that stuff sorry to stir up your life =) better that than find out the hard way g'night well I did I'm not too pissed though no one to blame but myself catch you later bye *** bitblt has quit: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10"