ah, much better hey hey good to see someone here :) yeah you twinkiemonger too? nope, that's andrew bethel makes our dns addr *addresses look the same cool i'm using the erc client program for emacs yeah it's got color highlighting, can click on links, etc. hey I have a pkg half installed and it's fsck'ed it won't configure fsck'ed lol which one ? how to I remove it?? got 2 "not fully installed" it's python-qt3 I'm sure you aren't into it nope but it freaked on configure not anything qt-ish for sure OOP is cool using gentoo? deal with it no on my deb devel env right now KDE CVS HEAD andrew says can you boot him off? just updated a few minutes agao pry his client is messed up but I don't know how =)) well using /kick perhaps? *** bltfast64 has kicked twinkiemonger off channel #bclug: bltfast64 got it rb beautiful brb I'm going to restart KDE b/c I just make installed it *** bltfast64 has left channel #bclug *** arshaw has joined channel #bclug that's the price you pay for bleeding edge *** bitblt_ has joined channel #bclug awesome fixed the package prob dpkg -r on then tem them geez that'll do the trick xchat roccks yeah, it's nice if i wasn't using emacs i would use it I use xchat ksirc and irssi about equally often is irssi console-based? yeah I spend alot of time on the console sometimes and use screen as a wm instead of using X naim, links, irssi, mutt what else do you need? i'll have to try out screem sometime *screen it's DANG awesome you can start a proc on one terminal and detach it then go to another machine and reattach it plus you can share screens with ppl neat plus normal WM type crap of course I use it for long builds hmm how does it do saves? to a text file? or binary? you mean sharing? yeah you create a fifo and pipe it into it then the other person just cats it ah andrew's watching animaniacs now fifos rock I just moved from 2.6.2 to SCO UnixWare time for you guys to upgrade! what? jk * bigmike160 passes out from shock did you see that review of it a few wks ago thoug? is 2.6.2 out yet a linux user reviewed it not stable no, do you have link? I can find it I'm sure hey. yay, now we can have a real forum http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5416 *** bitblt_ has set the topic for #bclug: "BCLUG chat" BCLUG sucks! so are u an operator? I guess don't ask me I'm not a big IRC user ok I'm bored now that didn't take long :) usually doesn't butter's never on gaim anymore for some reason you mess with flux then? not yet telling andrew about php+mysql combination he's looking into web-hosting providers yeah lamp rocks mee-sequel or mie-sequel? where's that guy who was here last night? it's mISEQUEL if I remember from reading the documentation rob not online not sure i'll have to give everyone more advanced notice next time do u want to do this on off-weeks? i think it might be neat yeah if people come, that is Hey Ryan, can you give me your opinion on a hosting option please. yeah sec butter's coming in I think http://www.webmasters.com is what I'm currently considering strongest. he's trying to get his wireless working wireless stinks alright. hey, a I'm looking at it now BUT you should look for SSH access it's a nice + some have I don't know that I would use it to it's full potential for the particular application. I'm going to be using the site mostly for write-ups and criticisms... literary, music, etc... a bit of a loose online zine. I have my foot in the door of certain places in web-culture that would allow me to get a small aucience rather quickly, working toward other exposure. hey willy might be coming in too =) right on. you know sweet you should definitely use a CMS like phpNuke or postnuke what does CMS do in this context? it has phpNuke availible as part of the hosting. and a phpbb2 setup. which will benice. excellent phpbb is awesome too that'll get you up and running with a decent site in minutes does willy have an aim or jabber address? Definately. i'd like to pass on meeting info to him he has AIM but is rareely on andy no shell access but I have to say i'll send willy an e-mail at his bethel email address the feature list is really sweet PHP is more than enough, and they are on the latest stable plus perl and python if you wantt it good stuff willymarkdemis is his AIM handle willy say he is on yahoo more as free_drum y'all use jabber or not? will eventually so you'd think that hosting would be decent? yeah only 10 a month. looks nice butter's coming over if you hate it you can easily move to where? yeah your apt? here IRC CHANNEL oh ha 30 day no-questions asked garuntee. so if I don't like it I drop it... and it will be during setup, which will be the most trying. * bigmike160 bashes head into wall *** wildo has joined channel #bclug yeah! willy cool ya! bclug is huge now! 4 ppl! enormous. haha arshaw? yay welcome willy andrew shaw. that's as much as our biggest meeting figured no butter? he's coming he can't figure it out =) he's on aol he said he'd join us in a minute yeah stinking 7 year old deb testing gaim won't do yahoo1 fix it mike - your distro sucks FYI willy andy and mike are die hard Debiaan Debian ok me and Butter and Rob, who you haven't met, are Gentoo ? but we like Debian alot too ;) gentoo you have to compile yourself- right? kind of - yes it's from source saw butter doing it they have a mechanism that does it though but it's very hands on debian already done for you? yep Debian isn't from source but it's still pretty down and dirty so it is for the girls? it's getting better though ;) both are strongly similar no for girls is Red Hat/Fedora and Mandrake and SUSE lol Debian, Gentoo, and maybe Slackware are the only ones that deserve respect slackware bites props to Knoppix too, but it's not a serious distro you used it? it's got it's plusess but I don't disagree willy: have u played around w/ knoppix yet no time ah = too lazy at the moment :) cool that you're in here thoug no actually i have been really busy- working 40hrs week plus 12 cr. in school yeah how long's he intership until? s/inter/intern ;) plus dealing with F'n schwing... lol willy had an adventure in regexp at least we may get a new math prof today 150 hrs, would end up at one week before graduation, but i have been getting a little extra he's moving our way and doesn't even know it cool coded much php yet? regexp = regular expressions? yeah working 10 a week, getting every other week -about 13 this week 17 still waiting on win&04$ update cool M$ sucks speaking of regexp- what is a "." mean gramatically? anything btw: i'm prob going to make a semi-official bclug website at it means any char awesome to the max *** butter has joined channel #bclug yay butter welcome what up butter? butter finally sweet bclug is HUGE hey explosive hey butter. so whats on the table actually, a better link to my site would be internet downloads personal page is at what do you guys think? lug site a go? yeah for sure my friend gave me some space and ssh account I could set up apache too I spose it'd be bltfast32.homelinux.org then that's my DNS maybe I'll set up the 400 as a server for us sometime who knows you'd probably make a better-designed page than the one i have now, that's for sure! i put up instructions on how to join our irc channel for noobs willy - you got sp1 done then? and rebooted like 9 times? like i was yesterday :) we need a wiki that's our best bet if I get that php hosting website, you guys are welcome to have a section of it. then we can all edit even though I'll be gone next year. wiki would be good are you kidding? 69768KB remaining... estimate 399 mins... (thanks windows) hahaha sweet well to be fair at least we have a lot of hosting options now :) linux has more downloading, depending on the distro true that we'll have to take a consensus sometime willy, linux users can go all night w/o downtime ".*[^\\d\\.].*" --> the \\ means not? no the ^ means not \d means digit but in "" in Java \ is escape thought that meant from beginnning> so \\ to make it \ andrew's freaking connection just went out it does unless it's in a [] ;) dang wireless linux sucks I'm booting into Windoze we're thinking about getting a dsl/cable connection for our dorm and booting, and booting, and booting cool why boot into windoze? j/k I don't even have windoze fool I'm finally legal i finally got my wireless working in linux 69148... now that I don't have windows maybe we need tag or something ha yeah i get easily confused :) bitblt.setSarcasm( true ); or for mike mike got your java *fake* calculator done? lolol hahaha bitblt->sarcasm = 1; yep, got my 'calculator' gui done during class mike, do it in gtk? ya foo- mine works... there are java bindings for it schwing clicked in all the buttons just to make sure they did nothing nope, did it in awt/java hahaha awt is a zombie i made the text box uneditable just for him threadsafe = not safe for regular use so he couldn't mess it up ha i thought it had to "function" *** twinkiemonger has joined channel #bclug i might try some different gui programming for java what's good? i'm back.... aparently as twinkiemonger this time... honestly swing is good you aren't going to beat it damn wireless. indeed swing not schwing yeah 68552... * bigmike160 breaks out laughing willy - just take it to school and patch it swing is an ass for sure err schwing too heavy... lol it'd be fun to confuse schwing by doing stuff w/ a different gui speaking of schwing... you know, that is a good idea... how hard to plug into bethel network? 1)pull out cable 2)plug in cable? yeah if you're using DHCP i think i can get that going... i've seen a lot of it in the last 18 hours yeah there's a couple good wiki pkgs for PHP I'll work on that server when I have time brb *** wildo has left channel #bclug i'm going to hack on shaw's boot menu a bit later guys. later *** twinkiemonger has quit: i have 84 updates to emerge emerge... lol ha screw you easier to say then I apt-get'ed it or aptitude'd it :P I love linux it's so funny gentoo has a dpkg workalike called qpkg too the coolest thing about emerge I think is that you can do anything pretend and it'll give you a break down of what it's going to do it's really comprehensive but wouldn't that be too debain-esque that and conditional compilatton oh and version indepenence of libs one thing that stinks about bin pkgs is that if you want gaim that is set to req a diff ver of one lib you have it screws you in Gentoo whatever you have links with whatever you have no broken pkgs up/downstream that's my biggest gripe with Deb and the reason it's not up-to-date butter - what time is the "thing" tomorrow *** wildo has joined channel #bclug *** wildo has quit: Remote closed the connection willy sweet restart the dl! willy man *** wildo has joined channel #bclug you use oh um 7:00 not sure you use moz apache php matts gone so im not sure mysql whatt's the deal just windows that all you use that's not open source open office even you crazy SOB! i'm back man, i am a freck freak'n geek now now that i have wireless working in linux i haven't left if for 2 days on my top awesome just cancel my lifting appointment to go download sp1 i knew that'd make a big diff hahaha willy so, i'm off to bethel log back in there with any luck GL later *** wildo has left channel #bclug a wiki'll rock because we can all put crap on it easily we'll set the box up with SSH for all too mandatory bzflag server =) of course we need it on bethel's connection if we can sometime thoug those bas'es today I was thinking I don't think using Windows is really computing anymore it's different think back to DOS and what you enjoyed the flavor it's not what Windows is it has a lot of appeal/functionality but no personality you mean right clicking all the time i know you love that it needs to be as hard as linux or it's not enough computing is about intimacy I'm again against "casual computing" ppl need to be comitted to one machine one os for life we live in a world of computing promiscuity yeah and most people (like schwing) are committed to windows so what's the deal with Purdue ? as far as BCLUG? schwing is committed to stupidity im not sure i didn't go this week because of snow they have a mtg time? no mike, you still on ext3? i think they might be a bunch of schwings that are thinking of using linux because they saw a commercial haha that's the idea because the last time i was there i was made fun of for speaking of it *** arshaw has quit: Connection timed out of Linux? yeah was gnu.org down today or what? how new is reiser it's not stable yet but it's awesome is it even in any form of debian yeah ah several kernels have it mike's custom comp anyways I've been thinking of making a partition for /lib/modules besides just /boot and bootinng the same kernel for all my distros wow thats pretty smart i might try and do that with my desktop if i can get gentoo working on it hey do u wanna get lunck sometime next week ryan yeah good idea err lunch i don't have classes on wed or fri cool dude stallman is a bit of a freak I don't care if you want to marry him, Mike I began work on GNU Emacs in September 1984, and in early 1985 it was beginning to be usable. This enabled me to begin using Unix systems to do editing; having no interest in learning to use vi or ed, I had done my editing on other kinds of machines until then. that's so everyone's attitude VI's too hard - I'll write my WHOLE OWN EDITOR. ridiculous doesn't look like he is around yeah I think he's on andy's machine ah im gonna need you to look at my pcmcia and wlan settings because during boot it loads wlan twice *** trilluser has joined channel #bclug i guess i am trilluser now- it's willy hey forgot to lower res. can't get monitor to stay on- how do you start in safemode? can't remember in XP dang shows the diagn. screen and loading xp screen, but then mon shuts off yeah try ctrl keys that's res, right? or f5 or f8 yeah that's what it's from see I'm not going to be a dick but in linux that's in a text file that you can just edit and fire it up np ;) hahaha registry is bad news for realz MS even knows it they are moving away from it ctrl h gets me the bios not the settings (del) the raid config stuff... just hit every key =) damn it damn it all I'm looking * bigmike160 types 'dd if=/dev/hdb2 of=/mnt/floppy/linux.bin bs=512 count=1' hold on =) 8-O shit- i got it, but usb keyboard, can't select ha man harsh guess i gotta do some switchin right click it and choose properties? jiggle the mouse double click internet explorer drag my computer to the "recycle bin" "recycle bin" come on ridiculous : found on one haha * bitblt_ type dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda2 on mike's machine nice- safe mode... yahoo@ !\ * bigmike160 types fuser /dev/hda2 ahhh don't understand this fuser /dev/ = mike + bit winshit... ahhhh hehe... fuser tell you what all inodes someone has open on the filesystem you ask forr /dev/hda2 means hd 1 partition 2 the thing I typed overwrites hd1 part 2 with random data from a large entropy ppol i'm making an acorn run bb in a few we need an install party willy im in to it get yourself an old hd with like 4 Gb+ space on it butter you don't count mike you could stop into say hi if ya want- the lab your nforce2 is a pain i'll bring a couple of my machines haahaha good call willy what? if you get that patched and are bored knoppix works great in the lab to IM in linux use Gaim i figured- i wish i would have brought it with me it's alot like trillian ahh probably could have changed res with that too bad hahaha not really b/c all win settings are in one big binary file shoot- same prob regedit can run under wine i just moved it down to 640 x 480 too but it's hugely dangerous! you starting work on the nforce2 again soon butter? F&&&&&&&&&!!!! so it's not the rez willy? nice- scan disk, but no login yeah probably tomorrow i don't have any class so chkdsk runs in framebuffer mode that's why it'll show but the desktop won't not sure- got in on safe mode (don't know how can't seem to do it again) moved down to 640 x 480, restarted and had same prob --- time passes --- ok, how do you enable networking? mike deb stickers by next mtg pry =) when you boot do the f8 I think there's a few selections one does safe video/disk but brings up net I think ya, i did safe with networking hmmm and you're set to DHCP weird y'all can do that right? in the lab with np? ya, it said DHCP enabled dhclient eth0? y'all? don't know man maybe a lab tech can pull it together for you should work aight, i'm just gonna mess with it sorry =) ya right- there both mexicans if I was there hahaaha nice haha... bbl enable netBIOS over TCP/IP? doesn't matter yeah k might as well we should have had a 2.6 release party! and all compiled the kernel all night so is everyone on debian? right now except butter and you no windows and using IM i meant IE is that allowed in here? no /kick foznot =) you back mike? yep now i am cool *** bitblt_ is now known as bitblt32 * bigmike160 gorges self on whitecastle (o_ //\ V_/_ it's a penguin =) lol (o_ //\ V_/_ there better it's diseased well, the second looks better actually (o> //\ V_/_ getting closer ok, here is a question that i am afraid to ask in #debian do it! when will kde 3.2 be ready for sarge or sid? a question! the answer is............... I'd say yes it'll be in sid within 3 wks 15 days after that through synaptic? if the deps get worked out it'll move to sarge yeah - it'll be in there either way - you can use sid KDE in sarge and what does sid have?3.0 3.1.3/4/5 it's a combo, as usual Gnome 2.4 is finally complete I think though and kernel 2.6 is that in synaptic? Yeah I think ask mike well mike? he might have used src and kernelpkg or whatever all too complicated for me i want to open a linux cafe all about community tea and coffee open source software you'd have the 4 of us for customers linux discussions there are all open source cafes you need regulars yeah the cronies a good coffee shop needs a niche and that could be it lets all quit our jobs take out loans and do it ha GREAT idea sorry mike sorry about the wait we can use your new tea timer GREAT idea heck yeah i'm getting caught up on about 400 lines of chatting while i was gone :) #debian? so now i'm going to reply to all of those old questions or just this ha cool i'm still using ext3, but have a program installed that can convert to reiserfs willy, u still in the lab? yeah he'll be back I'd guess he's around somewhere we need gnomemeeting that's what we need yeah g-nome meeting you mean GUUUUUUUUUUUHnome meeting and a firewall that doesn't block freaking identd hell yes we can get the dummies guide to gnome for a text book ha start in vga mode got all ip addys you on? good deal don't have a clue how the hell that worked, but oh well i think so Dale got DSL yesterday b/c bethel blocks inetd, i can't use some irc servers had 4 viruses in less than a min freenode is friendly thoug from the mydoom? that was ne one *** wildo has joined channel #bclug my computer!!!! me!!! my computer u got your name back *** trilluser has left channel #bclug "My Computer" hahhaah sweet I wish Linux had "My Computer" ya... i thought you would like that Microsoft Linux 2007 willy: looks like you're connected at bethel I predicted it MS Linux XP * bigmike160 gets a garlic clove and a stake or is that LinuXP die die die nice jk of course all the ease of use of Linux with the stability of windows ! but it would be LinuXP 05 Lindoze 2007 Lindoze sucks I can't believe that name you're DOOMED to live in the MS shadow that way so dumb i said last year that it's the bastard child of windows and linux my friends quote me on that at least they contrib better than same (ahemRedHatahem) it is how long will you be there willy? ummm... an hour or so mike me and rob moved to jabber yeah? FYI same handles just for the heck of it but no file transfer yeah hmm server jabber.org? yeah i'm on jabber protocol has filetranser gaim just doesn't implement it so is there a multiple-person chat ability? hey yeah i think 57 mins... that's a lot bette I started bclug on jabber better bit...when do you think you will have a price list see if you can join back good question remind me tomorrow mike what did you mean when you said it shows i logged into bethel? maybe I'll get to it ok did you dl the actual jabber app? wildo, irc tells where you are coming from foznot, no, gaim oh ok #bclug@conference.jabber.org there is a gnome jabber client u can use what you up to now willy? next meeting thurs next wk at 7? checking out sounddomain.com while i wait for 45 mins... i just bought an incredible amp, but i haven't been into car stuff for a while, so i was getting ideas cool its a percision power 2400.2 what kind of amp? to run 12" woofers? (ppi) run 1 10" alumapro ah wildo, foznot is into that crap too sweet was back in my early years but he still has a tape deck in his car so he's a foool actually no, stock, no tape or cd player i've not been in it for a while cause my single cab truck and NO money... but this was a great deal lucky to have fm $250 for that amp- it's a $600 amp all right $250 buys lots of diapers ha good clean power, and lots of it you're about off the diapers, aren't you? no kids, no problems... ha!! lol almost as soon as i clear up my candida what about girlfriends willy? no kidding hell ya- if i could get rid of my gf i'd be having a good 'ol time and f'n stressfree!!! ha ridiculous we've been having our share of problems lately more than our share (but isn't it always..?) life's like that is it because of your softwaree piracy? hahaha lol better move to linux it's better over here... that's great what graphics package does your shop use willy? photoshop, adobe stuff, macromedia freehand? depends on the project or flash? maybe freehand- yes, i think so, actually cool wait... no flash- free hand is just included in macromedia mx yeah cool that's where i've seen it we're watching anime in ramseyer third floor hey, rob I was thinking they do a lot of brochures and posters and what not. i'm honestly not sure what they use for that- i know they make some hugely high res tiff files well actually -t his is to all who'd be down with a gimp tutorial seminar? would Jody care to learn it at all or is it not worth the time? figured some other might be interested to too or would she be too intimiated by us all ? I'm kicking butter out gimp that schematic drawing program? oh no- it is like photoshop for linux- right? yeah you're thinking of dia dia's cute i think she would be willing to try to learn sodipodi kills it now though all she does is crop photos red eye and stuff like that crop huh yeah gimp can do on that if you know what you are doing what about nothing to elaborate how about a digital photography for linux mtg? i've gotten rid of redeye with gimp anyone care besides rob? yeah gimp rocks for it clone tool is killer yeah, photography them for a meeting sounds good *theme i would make that one i would even put it in my appointment book I'll put something together if anyone cares enough to listen yes! cool because as of now, i have no idea how to even get photos from my camera onto linux I use the GIMP alot at work oh man it's not bad sorry gphoto? and it's sweet yeah gphoto2 rocks does camera have removable memory card/ ? yeah i use a multiple memory card reader I just use the USB cable from my camera got one from y-e data its the hexa media drive xD but i just use the usb cable you use gphoto with the reader or do you use scsi emu? i use scsi emu cool you have to make sure that 'enable all luns' is enabled during kernel compile luns, what is that? i have not seen that in gentoo logical units but then again i haven't looked ok I dislike scsi prejudiced against it have been for years wish USB fs didn't have to use it i have one scsi cdr that is beat to heck use it because linux would only be able to read one type of card; each card makes a scsi drive, some share a drive if they are similar it never gets turned on anymore i think most distros have that option enabled by default depends some distros don't have defaults =) gentoo 04 scsi emu for ide isn't needed in 2.6 thoug which I love ide burning is better linus doesn't like the scsi emu eitherr that is the only reason i need to go to 2.6 pissed off the cdrecord fools 2.4 can do it too you just need a new ver of cdrecord do any of you use a cd-burning gui? like k3b? maybe i should have bought a cd burner instead of an amo\p amp that might be nice to have ;) mike doesn't use qt k3b is amazing though oh there's nothing else like it a nice dvd burner is only 100 you could have gotten twoi you can get a cd burner for $10 if you can deal with rebates where? watch paper for deals at best buy, staples, office max, etc. I'll let you know if I see one i love gcombust best i've seen so far all those beautiful options :) man, my first computer- win 3.1 freak'n would be laughed at- might as well throw it off a roof for the fun of it- was like $2000 new... i can't believe tech gcombust works but it doesn't hold a candle to k3b k3b is better than any Windows software I've even seen it's unreal soon it's going to have layer9 to layer5 auto resampling for DVDs too amazing well guys- 29 mins and 16mb left for what? will gcombust sp1 for xp ah conv ogg/mp3 to raw to burn? or only wav? that is why i am in the lab gcombust only does raw wave i think, but i have never made a music cd b4, so i am not sure you guys see on distrowatch that theree's a lindows dev ed now? funny im signing off for the night later guys yeah later I'd better go too I'll catch you guys later later all *** foznot has left channel #bclug see you guys thursday *** bitblt32 has quit: "Leaving" see ya bye later